VST 2 coming to an end

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bradr
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VST 2 coming to an end

Postby bradr » Mon May 21, 2018 12:17 am

Hi Guys,

Recently Steinberg posted this about the end of VST 2: https://www.steinberg.net/en/newsandeve ... -4727.html

I'm curious what this means in practice... does this mean simply that the VST 2 SDK will no longer be available, that existing hosts and plugins who already have the SDK can continue to use it? What are the implications for new plugins and new plugin developers?

I coming at this from the point of view of a host developer who currently only supports VST 2 - primarily because nearly all the plugins my customers need are all available in that format. Although I've implemented VST 3 support I've not released it due to some integration issues with other features in my product and just haven't had the time or need to revisit it yet.

My guess is that the main impact of this announcement will be that over time more and more plugins will be only available as VST 3 and therefore supporting this in my host will become more important?

Brad

foo21345
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Re: VST 2 coming to an end

Postby foo21345 » Mon May 21, 2018 7:59 pm

If VST2 is coming to an end, is VST2 wrapper coming to an end also?

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Re: VST 2 coming to an end

Postby ray » Wed May 23, 2018 11:29 am

foo21345 wrote:If VST2 is coming to an end, is VST2 wrapper coming to an end also?


Removing the VST2 SDK parts as a subset of the VST3 SDK would mean so, practically, since the VST2 Wrapper depends on it. I wonder what it means for the recently added AAX Wrapper though as it is widely based on the VST2 Wrapper?

Best,
Ray

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Re: VST 2 coming to an end

Postby foo21345 » Wed May 23, 2018 3:43 pm

ray wrote:Removing the VST2 SDK parts as a subset of the VST3 SDK would mean so, practically, since the VST2 Wrapper depends on it.

Not necessarily so. There are plenty of frameworks that build on VST SDKs but do not include them due to licensing. VST3 can still maintain vst2wrapper without including VST 2.4 files :shock: .

ray
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Re: VST 2 coming to an end

Postby ray » Thu May 24, 2018 6:41 am

foo21345 wrote:
ray wrote:Removing the VST2 SDK parts as a subset of the VST3 SDK would mean so, practically, since the VST2 Wrapper depends on it.

Not necessarily so. There are plenty of frameworks that build on VST SDKs but do not include them due to licensing. VST3 can still maintain vst2wrapper without including VST 2.4 files :shock: .


That's true, but would Steinberg do so if their aaxwrapper which is relevant by these days' standards can't be build out of the box?

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Re: VST 2 coming to an end

Postby foo21345 » Sun May 27, 2018 1:35 am

ray wrote:
foo21345 wrote:
ray wrote:Removing the VST2 SDK parts as a subset of the VST3 SDK would mean so, practically, since the VST2 Wrapper depends on it.

Not necessarily so. There are plenty of frameworks that build on VST SDKs but do not include them due to licensing. VST3 can still maintain vst2wrapper without including VST 2.4 files :shock: .


That's true, but would Steinberg do so if their aaxwrapper which is relevant by these days' standards can't be build out of the box?


One can argue that vst2 wrapper is far more relevant to majority of developers than the aax wrapper, which is incomplete.

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Re: VST 2 coming to an end

Postby ygrabit » Tue May 29, 2018 2:58 pm

We will continue to support the AAXWrapper...
In a next update we will refactor the Wrapper classes...
VST2 Wrapper still a part of the SDK...

For people having already signed the license agreement for VST2 it will be possible to continue to create VST2 plug-Ins, for new developers from the 1st of October this will be not possible anymore.
YVan Grabit

ray
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Re: VST 2 coming to an end

Postby ray » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:34 pm

ygrabit wrote:We will continue to support the AAXWrapper...


That's good to hear.

Would you be interested in offering an optional API in the AAX Wrapper that would allow developers to support AAX DSP if they want to (given they want to go through the hassle of arranging HDX hardware and CCS licenses)?

One could make do with an allocatable private data block, some kind of interface to AAX' DirectData API to read/write data, a facility to report the names of the Process function symbol and TI dll and the cycle count for each sample rate. I can sketch something in case there is some type of interest.

Of course, everyone would still have to go through porting their processing/implementing their DSP communication themselves. I'm asking about providing a basic facility as outlined above.

Best,
Ray

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Re: VST 2 coming to an end

Postby ygrabit » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:30 pm

Your welcome if you have any improvements. Please on a new topic and post your proposal.
Thanks in advance
YVan Grabit


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